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Musings of a cis, hetero, fat and nerdy black womanist Things found here: fat positivity, HAES, pro-Blackness (especially for dark skinned fat black women), nerdiness and sexy things All nsfw things are tagged 'occupymyvagina'

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    fatphobiabusters

    You know what I was thinking of? I never see historical fashion for fat people like me. It's all skinny flappers and small waisted Victorians. Unless it's someone who was famous or a man, it seems no one cares to show what the average fat person wore in the past.

    Most fat people just wore a sized up version of skinny people’s clothing. For most of history a silouette was really the important part more than arbitrary unpadded measurements. Anything you’ve heard otherwise is a…hmm what’s the word I’m looking for, a miss representation. What I mean is, most people wore literal padding to achieve a look, they didn’t manipulate their natural bodies like we do now, they added material to achieve the silouette. Nothing about this directly excludes fat bodies. For most of history fat clothes was just like I said, skinny clothes sized up and capable of holding the same padding. 

    I hear about the 30 inch waist ideal for some time periods but that’s the thing, it’s the ideal, not a reality. Most existent surving dresses are “smaller” because fat people wore their clothes out, repurposed them into new fashions and decades, like most people did. Our survivors bias is weird like that. I was thinking about sharing some videos from some historical YouTube’s and this is a good a reason as any. 

    xrozario-sanguinemx

    The funny thing is that the “small waisted Victorian” was actually a COMPARATIVE thing. The victorian (and Edwardian) ideal is a waist that’s 15-10 inches smaller than the bust.

    If you look closely at a lot of Victorian imagery (esp the adult China dolls) you’ll find a LOT of double chins – at least for women. The ideal woman was (and this is sexist as hell but) a successful mother and a successful mother was rounded and plump from multiple pregnancies.

    Anyway, a really cool image I have is an ad from the Victorian era that really shows how ideals have changed;

    As far as the clothing goes: a LOT of what we have left are the garments of young, rich women (like, premarriage age) and garments from special occasions – so debuts, weddings, special parties – because, like how a lot of women now will put aside their wedding dress, a well off young woman may have a dress made for a special occasion and never wear it again whereas most daily wear (much like with fat folks now) was worn until it fell apart.

    Anyway, here are also some images of fat Victorians (sadly mostly women, I couldn’t find like any men that weren’t like, freak show photos which are kinda demeaning so not included)

    I included the image with the group of women because look at that body type variety!

    Also, Enchanted Rose Costumes on YouTube is a LOVELY plus size historical costuber and I highly recommend her!

    fatphobiabusters

    Lovely addition!

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    “My time has come” I whisper as I open my image folder. Sadly none as cool as the lady balancing the teacups on her chest.

    yespumpkindoodlesthings

    I wish I could remember which turn-of-the-century famous woman that I’ve read described as “at the pinnacle of beauty and health” at two hundred pounds. I thought it was the swimmer Annette Kellerman, but I can’t find the source for the quote.

    laughingfish

    My grandmother was born in the 1930s and she said that her whole family and friends bullied her as a teenager for being naturally thin and she would cry and eat sticks of butter to get more plump. She actually got fat after her first 2 pregnancies and she bragged about it to her unmarried sisters at the time.

    i will say supernatural’s commitment to make every single fucking thing an uglyish white man is incredible. like the first 2? all right. understandable. theyre just a couple of Guys. batshit powerful billion year old angel of the lord? also some guy. God? some guy. a dragon? ghouls? vampires? the devil? just Some Guys. the monstrous offspring of the devil and a republican? Literally some guy. Supernatural is a show about monsters and magic and whatever but on a realer and deeper level it is about a few uglyish white men standing around talking. No variation on concept whatsoever. Every season is like What if….there was Another Guy……

    aflawedfashion

    Rob Tapert and Lucy Lawless on Xena and Gabrielle’s relationship

    jumpthethunder

    This is why Xena was never queer-baiting. When they decided to go with having Xena and Gabrielle be soulmates (and lovers) they did everything they possibly could to make it a clearly illustrated love story between two women, but they were forced to make it subtext by the censors and the networks. Despite all this they still succeeded, over the course of the series, with having Xena and Gabs explicitly declare their love for one another, having more than one entire episode dedicated to the strength of their love and their willingness to fight and die for one another in any world or time, literally saying over and over that they were soulmates, showing them married (in a roundabout way) in a future life, and having them kiss more than once. They didn’t dangle the illusion of a romance in front of our eyes and then undercut it, they didn’t play with our feelings just to rob us of any real love between these two women. And, despite Xena’s death in the end, they not only showed her soul remaining with Gabrielle but they had already done several episodes that assured the audience that Xena and Gabrielle’s souls would be reincarnated together for all of eternity. Yes, there were the obligatory male romances thrown in here and there, but they became less and less frequent over the years until they were all but gone by seasons 5 and 6, and in the end not a single one of those romances proved more important than the bond between Xena and Gabrielle.

    Lastly, from the very moment the idea of this relationship was presented to the cast they supported it. Lucy and Renee were happy to be seen this way, they never mocked their shippers, they never shied away from it in fear of what it could do to their reputations or careers. They treated questions about Xena and Gabrielle’s romance with honesty and respect at conventions (though Lucy is often a sarcastic ass-and I love her for that- so sometimes she can be interrupted as being snarky), and they acknowledged the importance of showing love like this on tv.